9/11: The Truth was out by 2002

“You can’t understand what’s been going on around the world with American covert operations and the Israeli covert operations until you understand that the two countries have this secret arrangement.”

I was skimming through comments from an article I just read about the Soldiers in Afghanistan who had urinated on victims they had killed. We all remember that. The author was defending the soldiers because the “terrorists” (in their own country which was being militarily invaded by US which was never mentioned), had bombed some of their friends in their unit previously.

The author is appalled by the public hostility towards the soldiers at the time. The article appalled me! The uniformed reader level was astonishing, as if all these years and events never passed! I posted this link at the site and then thought I would post it here, for old times sake. I have been a fan of Justin Raimondo forever.

March 8, 2002 by Justin Raimondo

In late November, the Washington Post ran a story that stopped me dead in my tracks: “60 Israelis on Tourist Visas Detained Since Sept. 11,” but it was the subhead that really got my attention: “Government Calls Several Cases ‘of Special Interest,’ Meaning Related to Post-Attacks Investigation.” In addition to the 1000-plus Middle Easterners of the Muslim persuasion swept up in Ashcroft’s post-9/11 dragnet, it seems, some 60 Israelis were in custody.

And these were no ordinary tourists: INS officials testified in immigration court hearings that this group was “of special interest to the government” – the same argument used to justify the detention of Arabs in connection with the investigation into 9/11. Shortly thereafter, in a column dated 11/28/01, I asked: “What, exactly, is the meaning of this?” Today, I am relieved to note, the rest of the media is finally catching up to Antiwar.com and asking the same question.


While my own answer has developed over at least half a dozen subsequent columns, the core of my thesis has remained essentially unchanged. As I put it:

“As long as 60 Israeli citizens are being held – under conditions of great secrecy – in connection with the 9/11 investigation, it is no longer tenable to dismiss the possibility of an Israeli angle in this story.”

The Post story went on to describe the Israeli detainees as having served in special anti-terrorist and intelligence units. “Something tells me these guys are no ordinary tourists,” I averred.

While “we just don’t know” because of the secrecy surrounding the government’s actions, I thought that the whole point of the Ashcroft round-up was not only to sweep up potential suspects but to gather information that could lead them to Al Qaeda’s underground network in the US. Therefore, I theorized,

“It could be that the Israelis, or at least some of them, fall into this category: while not being directly involved, maybe they know something. Nothing else could account for the government’s ‘special interest.'”


The suggestion of an Israeli connection to the events surrounding 9/11 did not spring, full blown, like Athena from the head of Zeus. It had been hovering in the background, implied in odd accounts such as the one about the group of Israelis picked by the FBI after they were spotted in Liberty State Park, Jersey City, NJ, laughing and giving each other high-fives as the World Trade Center burned on the other side of the river.

In an astonishing story in the Bergen Record, we learn that 5 men described as “Israeli tourists,” were picked up 8 hours after the WTC attack, “carrying maps linking them to the blasts.” “…[S]ources close to the investigation said they found other evidence linking the men to the bombing plot.

‘There are maps of the city in the car with certain places highlighted,’ the source said. ‘It looked like they’re hooked in with this. It looked like they knew what was going to happen when they were at Liberty State Park.'” According to this account, the 5 “tourists” had been picked up by local police after receiving the following alert from the FBI:

“Vehicle possibly related to New York terrorist attack. White, 2000 Chevrolet van with New Jersey registration with ‘Urban Moving Systems’ sign on back seen at Liberty State Park, Jersey City, NJ, at the time of first impact of jetliner into World Trade Center.
 Three individuals with van were seen celebrating after initial impact and subsequent explosion. FBI Newark Field Office requests that, if the van is located, hold for prints and detain individuals.”


Then there was the story about the two employees of the Odigo Company, an Israeli-based “instant-messaging” software company, with New York offices in the vicinity of the WTC, who received messages in the hours before disaster struck that the World Trade Center would be hit. I was so skeptical of this report, published in Ha’aretz, an Israeli daily newspaper, that I wrote the author: he confirmed the contents of these mysterious missives and cited his sources.

In this context, the Washington Post story fit into an eerie pattern: it was not the final but the definitive piece of the puzzle: the piece that, once found and put in place, evokes an exclamation of “so that‘s what it is!” I was alone, at the time, in raising the possibility of an Israeli angle to the story of 9/11 – but not for long.


On December 11, Fox News ran the first of a four-part series by Carl Cameron that offered yet more evidence to support my contention that the Israelis had some rather specific foreknowledge of the 9/11 atrocity. Citing sources in law enforcement, Cameron dropped a bombshell:

“A handful of active Israeli military were among those detained, according to investigators, who say some of the detainees also failed polygraph questions when asked about alleged surveillance activities against and in the United States. There is no indication that the Israelis were involved in the 9-11 attacks, but investigators suspect that they [sic] Israelis may have gathered intelligence about the attacks in advance, and not shared it.

A highly placed investigator said there are – quote – ‘tie-ins.’ But when asked for details, he flatly refused to describe them, saying, – quote – ‘evidence linking these Israelis to 9-11 is classified.

I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It’s classified information.’ Fox News has learned that one group of Israelis, spotted in North Carolina recently, is suspected of keeping an apartment in California to spy on a group of Arabs who the United States is also investigating for links to terrorism.”

The detained Israelis, reported Cameron, had been part of a vast spy operation that had very possibly been tracking the hijackers, and had both the means and the opportunity to discover the terrorist plot. Over four nights, he detailed extensive Israeli penetration of US defense and government facilities revealed in the documents of a secret task force within the government that has been collecting evidence on this case since the early 1990s.


Posing as “art students” selling cheap handicrafts and paintings, as many as 120 young Israelis – the majority of whom “stated they served in military intelligence, electronic surveillance intercept and or explosive ordinance units” in the Israeli army – made contact with US government officials and personnel in “hundreds of incidents and towns across the country.”

Indeed, there had been so many news reports in local media, concentrated especially in Texas and Florida, detailing this activity that the National Counterintellligence Center (a dot-gov site) issued the following alert:

“In the past six weeks, employees in federal office buildings located throughout the United States have reported suspicious activities connected with individuals representing themselves as foreign students selling or delivering artwork. Employees have observed both males and females attempting to bypass facility security and enter federal buildings.”


These “students,” the NCC observed, who “have been described as aggressive,” didn’t seem too interested in selling anybody anything, and instead seemed intent on simply gaining access. Two were arrested (in Texas) and, lo and behold, it was discovered that their work visas and green cards were counterfeit.

One particularly eerie aspect of all this is these “students” turning up at “the private residences of senior federal officials under the guise of selling art.” On October 2, KHOU-TV of Houston, Texas, reported that, earlier in the year, these guys were caught sneaking into “federal buildings and defense sites,” and, in Dallas,

“The so-called students hit early this year at the city’s FBI building, the Drug Enforcement Administration and at the Earle Cabell Federal building, where guards found one student wandering the halls with a floor plan of the building.”


The Fox News exposé also reported on the near-total penetration of US communications facilities by Israel, through two “private” Israeli telecommunications companies, Amdocs, Ltd., and Comverse Infosys, which, together, handle virtually all the billing records and government wiretaps in the US. Indeed, many of the “art students” not only had “intelligence expertise,” but also worked for Amdocs “or other companies in Israel that specialize in wiretapping.”


Cameron’s report, which was immediately denied by the Israelis, spread pandemonium throughout the government, and official spokesmen stonewalled. Ari Fleischer was unusually laconic, referring questions from reporters to an unresponsive Justice Department and other equally uncooperative government agencies. As for the rest of the American media – a stunning silence. You could hear a pin drop. As Cameron put it in an interview with CSPAN:

“The biggest story of our time, of Israel spying on all branches of the government, on all our intelligence agencies – in the CIA [Central Intelligence Agency], the DEA and the White House itself, is not picked up by the leading newspapers like the New York Times and the Washington Post.”


Ah, but the Post, at least, would eventually be forced to pick up the story, if only to serve as a conduit for official government denials. In the meantime, for months, the only place you could read about this story was on Antiwar.com, and specifically right here in this space: that is, here, and here, and here, and here – and also here, and here. Not to mention here. (And don’t forget here.) Until, finally, the story was picked up overseas, by LeMonde, a major French newspaper, which based its story [go here for the French version] on a report published in the Online Intelligence newsletter.

The editor of the newsletter, Guillaume Dasquié – co-author of Bin Laden: The Hidden Truth – was recently taken to task in this space for positing the 9/11 conspiracy as being part of a plot by Saudi Arabia, which, after all, “since the 18th century … has been focused on conquering the world.” I am glad to see, however, that the direction of his investigation has now taken a radically different turn….


This turn was helped along, it seems, by yet another “leak” from a US government agency, this time the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA). Dasquié had somehow gotten his hands on a classified 61-page report drafted by an interagency task force charged with summarizing information gleaned from the nearly 120 Israelis rounded up in the wake of 9/11.

The DEA, it seems, took the lead in the investigation because its Office of Security Programs – responsible for internal security – first stumbled on “unusual behavior of young Israeli nationals who had gained access to DEA circles.” As it turned out, nearly all these “art students” belonged to a particular school of art – that is, if espionage and spying in general can be considered an art, albeit a black one.


What I like best about Online Intelligence is that it names names,

“A few of the operatives are well known in the Israeli intelligence community. The report cited the names of Peer Segalovitz (military registration number 5087989) and Aran Ofek, son of a renowned two-star general in the Israeli army. The network targeted some of the most sensitive sites in the U.S., such as Tanker Air Force Base near Oklahoma City.

Indeed, the U.S. Air Force’s Office of Special Investigation sent a letter to the Justice Department on May 16 of last year to ask for assistance in a case against four Israelis suspected of spying: Yaron Ohana, Ronen Kalfon, Zeev Cohen and Naor Topaz.”


According to the DEA, Israel’s underground army in the US consisted of “around 20 units composed of between four and eight members each.” More names are named: Michael Calmanovic headed up the team in Irving, Texas, while Florida was the domain of Hanan Serfaty. Legum Yochai had charge of the Miami operation. Online Intelligence also notes the Amdocs connection: it seems these “art students” “cultivated contacts with Israeli information technology companies based in the US and serving as regular suppliers to various U.S. federal agencies, such as Amdocs” and others.

The Fox News series is cited, by Online Intelligence and Le Monde, and the former even provides a convenient map of the Texas chapter of the “art students” underground apparatus, complete with not only names, but arrival dates, corporate connections, when and where they were arrested, and their specific functions in the Israeli military-intelligence apparatus. How much more evidence do we need before the editorialists and the pundits start calling government officials on their lies – and Congress begins an investigation?


As I said in my first column on this subject, written before Fox News expanded on the story and introduced it to a wider public, “truth will out” in spite of government stonewalling and obsessive secrecy:

“In these days of the Internet, and the instant dissemination of information, the gatekeepers have to resort to quasi-legal means to keep the truth from coming out. But it will come out, sooner rather than later – in which case, the question, ‘Haven’t we had enough of Israel?’ may be definitively answered.”

This story was really too big to keep under wraps for long, which is why I kept flailing it week after week, certain that sooner or later it would find its way into the major media and have a decisive impact on the public debate over this war, and our relations with the rest of the world in general. It is a nice feeling to be vindicated, and, if you’ll permit me to indulge myself for a moment, let me just remind my regular readers: you read it here first!


As the embargo on the Israeli spy story began to break down, with reports from the British media filtering into the US and Canada, the Washington Post – the original source of the news that 60 Israelis had been detained – ran what is fated to become the prototypical denial coming from the US and Israeli governments:

“‘This seems to be an urban myth that has been circulating for months,’ said Justice Department spokeswoman Susan Dryden. ‘The department has no information at this time to substantiate these widespread reports about Israeli art students involved in espionage.'”

An “urban myth” – oh, that’s rich! Confronted with the evidence, the denialists equate documented reports from reputable news sources with stories of alligators in the New York City sewer system. Faced with a leaked government document that reveals names, places, and military identification numbers, government spokesmen resort to characterizing the (so far unknown) leaker as a “disgruntled” DEA employee who single-handedly wrote the memo.

We don’t know what person or persons authored the DEA task force report on Israeli spook activity in the US prior to 9/11, but, in any case, what loyal American wouldn’t be disgruntled at this administration’s increasingly unsuccessful effort to bury this deeper than the lowest rung of Hell?


As the new revelations were met with a barrage of denials in Washington and Israeli consulates around the country, Dasquié stuck by his story. The FBI was engaging in sophistry, he said, when it denied that the “art students” had been arrested for carrying out espionage on behalf of a foreign power in the US: all were expelled, the FBI piously averred, for routine visa violations. But that is precisely how a cover-up of spying by a “friendly” government would be accomplished, Dasquié points out: especially by the Israel-friendly Bush administration, which is doing everything it can to tamp down the growing scandal. Haul them into immigration court, get them out of the country quick – and no one’s the wiser. Except, for once, they are….


Ms. Dryden’s smug arrogance in dismissing serious charges as “urban myth” may have backfired. Denigrating your opponent when he has the goods on you is not a smart strategy. As long as US and Israeli officials continue to lie straight-faced, while gullible journalists look to find a reason to believe government lies, Intelligence Online is threatening to publish the leaked DEA report in its entirety:

“‘It seems irresponsible for us to publish it, but if the denials go on, we could put the report on our Internet site and in so doing possibly blacken the names of the people most exposed,’ the editor of the Intelligence Online site, Guillaume Dasquié, said. … ‘The document we have in our possession details not only the identities of the members of this network, but also their activities in the Israeli army, and even their serial numbers in the intelligence services, their passport numbers and their validity, and their visas and their validity.”

Au contraire, messieurs Dasquié, et al, it would be irresponsible to refrain from publishing it. Don’t we have a right to know the full context of the biggest terrorist attack in American history – an attack that signaled the start of a rapidly expanding war? As for “blackening the names of the people most exposed” – isn’t that what we mean by justice?


But of course the responsibility for all this goes much higher than the son of an Israeli general and a few high-ranking intelligence officers – including responsibility for the ongoing cover-up. That is why we are seeing both the US and Israeli governments going into full “spin” mode, the signal that a real panic is going on behind the scenes. This should provide us with plenty of entertainment for the next few weeks, and I see by this item in the South Florida Sun-Sentinel that the fun has already started….


Reiterating the basic facts of the story – Israeli spies penetrating government facilities posing as “art students” – the Sun-Sentinel reports that, in South Florida, these suspicious characters were employed by an outfit known as “Universal Art,” with addresses in South Miami and Southrise:

“On Wednesday, there was no sign of a company called Universal Art Inc., at 10873 NW 52nd St. in Sunrise. The address in Florida incorporation documents came back to a light industrial complex next to the Sawgrass Expressway and south of Commercial Boulevard. No one answered the door, and several occupants had not heard of the company. The company’s officers, Yitzchak Shish and Chava Sagi, are not listed. They were not among those who were deported….”

Nobody answered the door, eh? Well, then we ought to be knocking a little harder. And if no one answers, then why not break down the door and see who or what is inside? After all, the authorities haven’t hesitated to do this in the case of Arab-Americans and other non-Israeli Middle Eastern visitors and immigrants. Why the reluctance in this case?


As the hijackers were training for their deadly mission in South Florida, the resident Israeli cell, all of whom lived nearby, could have easily kept a close watch on their activities. If anyone ever catches up with Yitzchak Shish and Chava Sagi, perhaps we will learn more about what the Israelis knew about the events surrounding 9/11, and when they knew it. But if we’re depending on the FBI and our own intelligence services to find these two, and make their story public, then I’m afraid we are in for a long wait indeed.

Zionism, the world’s curse

Charles “Chuck” Schumer is a Zionist American politician, the senior United States senator from New York and a member of the Democratic Party. Zionists are in key positions throughout our gov and work for Israel

Zionism is an inherent demonic ideology that can’t be reformed or even humanized to represent authentic Judaism, since the very essence of Zionism represents the ultimate antithesis of truth, justice, peace, and even humanity.

Hence, coexisting with Zionism would necessitate that non-Jews accept a dehumanized status of constantly persecuted slaves, without freedom, without dignity and without a future.

Isn’t this what millions of Palestinians have been experiencing since the misbegotten birth of Israel?  As the US turns more into Israel everyday, what causes us to think that we, non Zionists and non Jews are any different than the Palestinians? As non Jews and Zionists we are considered enemies as we would oppose their rule over us. Besides us, Israel’s enemies are all Semites as the real Semitic people are an exposure to the Semitic charade of the Ashkenazi non Semitic Jews.

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Ilan Pappe: The Myth of Israel PT1

The Khazarians, never in Israel, converted to Talmudic Judaism in the 8th Century.

“I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the Synagogue of Satan.” —(Revelation 2:9) The nation of Israel today is populated with seven and half million imposters!

March 5, 2017

ILAN PAPPÉ: Netanyahu  represents a very deep  Israeli-Jewish conviction that they are the indigenous people of Palestine, and the Palestinians are the settlers… and the aliens.

And this is a starting point. A starting point is where the indigenous… yes, we haven’t been there for a few hundred… maybe two thousand years, but we are the indigenous people of Palestine. And from there, everything else emanates.

And I think the way to challenge it is really by using this paradigm of settler-colonialism, because it’s not exceptional for a settler-colonial movement to claim to be the indigenous people of the place that they occupy, colonize, and quite often genocide.

It happened before in other places. And I think that’s something that allows people who either were victims of other settler-colonial projects; or people who are part of settler-colonial states, like the United States, but are very familiar nowadays with their own history, and understand their own origins; to understand that actually it’s not exceptional, it’s not an exception – the only exceptional part of it is the denial, not the very historical act itself.

MAX BLUMENTHAL: Yeah. I mean, a lot of these myths are actually just Hasbara arguments by, in many cases, morons for the consumption of morons, but I’ve found that in our world there are a lot… it falls on fertile soil. I mean, the education system isn’t very good in the West.

So you have these… Netanyahu, and I think, you know, this is kind of a common feature of Hasbara, trying to draw a distinction between settler-colonialism and traditional metropole-colonialism, and you’ll hear him say, you know, we’re not the French colonizing Algeria. We have nowhere to go back to. You know? This is our homeland and we can’t go back anywhere.

How do you respond to that? And, you know, I think one of the things that we’ve failed to do is explain how settler-colonialism is in many ways more pernicious than traditional colonialism.

ILAN PAPPÉ: Absolutely. The exceptional part of the story is that settler-colonialism made certain connections, or made certain assumptions, which were accepted in the 19th century, but looked ridiculous, inhuman and non-democratic in the 20th century; and yet, in the particular case of Israel, they still remain valid.

For instance, the claim that the only way you can create a democracy in a country which has settlers and natives, is if the settlers are always the majority; which is the argument of the liberal Zionists, not the right wing Zionists. The liberal Zionists, the whole peace process, is based on the idea that the only way democracy can be sustained in Palestine is if the Jews are a majority in their own homeland.


ILAN PAPPÉ: This is a ridiculous assumption, that in any other context would be rejected as racist, but in the case of Israel is accepted. And I think that’s where the interesting part of the analysis comes into, also in my book, in … why educated; well-read people in the West did not see this? Or, did they see it and decided to accept it for reasons of guilt, anti-Semitism,…? to choose to stay in Europe, God knows why?

Everyone had their own reasons for that. For the second point that you were making, I think that it’s very important to highlight, when you talk about any settler-colonial project – what Patrick Wolfe called “the logic of the elimination of the native” – that you cannot create a new settler-colonial society, or a settler nation state, from the settler-colonials’ perspective, as long as there is an indigenous native population there. So you have to get rid of them.


ILAN PAPPÉ: Genocide them as you did in America, or impose apartheid and Bantustan them as you did in South Africa, or ethnically cleanse them as you did in Palestine. The means vary from one historical case study to the other.

The logic is the same logic. And what is amazing is that this logic is still legitimized in the 21st century in the case of Israel, under the guise of slogans such as “The only democracy in the Middle East”, “A country that wants peace but doesn’t find the right partner for it”, and all the other mythologies that are connected to the peace process.

MAX BLUMENTHAL: I think that the logic of… the underlying logic of Zionism, of maintaining a demographic majority, a sort of ethnic over-class, through violent demographic social engineering, is scarcely ever interrogated in our mainstream media. In academia it’s even very rare to see it.

Would you say that that has fuelled the rhetoric and the politics of the far right in Western Europe and in the United States; where you hear someone like Stephen Bannon, who’s the Chief Counselor to Donald Trump – the main intellectual force behind him – say at a major conference in Washington, that the United States is not just an economy; it has to represent a culture. STEPHEN BANNON: We have wide and sometimes divergent opinions.

But I think the center core of what we believe, that we’re a nation with an economy, not an economy just in some global marketplace with open borders, but we are a nation with a culture and a reason for being.

MAX BLUMENTHAL: And it’s this culturalist narrative, which implies that the United States is white and Christian, and it must maintain a white, Christian demographic majority. Do you think that that has anything to do with the legitimization that Israel has experienced?

ILAN PAPPÉ: I do think so. I think if you are a member of a right wing intellectual movement or ideological movement or political movement, you watch Israel desperately in a way. You say, “My ideas, my assumptions, my discourse, that is regarded as fringe, lunatic and dangerous, is welcomed when it is uttered by the spokespersons for the Israeli Jewish state, or by Israel itself.”

It’s exactly that. The dehumanization that Israel is allowed to express through its discourse, through its policies, through its activities, is not different from any racist approach by any other group. In fact, settler-colonialism is one of the most dangerous forms of modern racism. And it’s not surprising that there are two ways in which Israel was trying to challenge this or protect this kind of exceptionalism, because it’s very precarious. It can… you know, one day, the truth can be discovered.

The people would say, wait a minute; you’re not different from an extreme right movement in America. You are the same – especially when the right wing in Israel becomes stronger. So there are two ways they’re trying to challenge it. One is by claiming that, oh, we don’t use violent means – if you are a liberal Zionist – we’re not looking for violent means of keeping demographic purity.

We’re actually willing to give up some territory in order to keep demographic purity; or we enclave, we incarcerate, we besiege the Palestinians in small bantustan, so that we’re demographically pure.

MAX BLUMENTHAL: In Israel, it’s liberals saying, “Build the wall.

“ILAN PAPPÉ: Absolutely. Absolutely. Liberal. Of course, because this means I don’t want to use supposedly violent means. I’m not expelling people.

MAX BLUMENTHAL: We’re not going to transfer anyone.

ILAN PAPPÉ: Exactly. We’re just not going to let them leave.

MAX BLUMENTHAL: We’re just going to say, what was… it was Ehud Barak’s campaign slogan…

ILAN PAPPÉ: Yeah. We are here and they are there.

MAX BLUMENTHAL: Us over here, them over there. And we would recognize that here as sort of segregation. ILAN PAPPÉ: Exactly.

MAX BLUMENTHAL: But it’s hard segregation.

ILAN PAPPÉ: Absolutely. And the second means… and the second means by which they try to sort of hide it, is the one that Netanyahu prefers, because he cannot say that he’s willing to give up territory, and this is elevating this idea of… elevating anti-Semitism into supposedly a new phenomenon…

MAX BLUMENTHAL: Right. The new…

ILAN PAPPÉ: … the new anti-Semitism; and to say that when you criticize the Israeli settler-colonialism, you’re not criticizing racism, but you’re actually racist yourself.


ILAN PAPPÉ: Like the indigenous issue. If you… if the Palestinians claim that they are indigenous, we will claim that we are the indigenous, and they are the settlers. This is really new-speak…

MAX BLUMENTHAL: Which actually embraces the true logic of anti-Semitism that conflates Zionism with Jews, and holds them responsible collectively for all of Zionism’s crimes.

ILAN PAPPÉ: Absolutely. Absolutely. Above… another layer of uniformity or a connection between the idea that Jews should be settler-colonialists in Asia or the Arab world, and not live as communities in the West, which is another kind of joint platform for anti-Semitism and Zionism.

MAX BLUMENTHAL: Right, which opens the door for this kind of alliance of convenience we’ve seen with parties like the National Front in France; the Jobbik Party even, in Hungary, is moving away from its traditional anti-Semitism into a more pro-Zionist.

We see the Austrian Freedom Party, Strache, was hosted by the Likud Party – this is the party founded by the Nazis in Austria – he was hosted for a visit of the Holocaust Museum by the Likud Party. You go across the board to all these far right parties, down to Trump and the Republican Party, and they’ve all become pro-Israel while holding onto this idea that, you know, Jews really belong somewhere else.

ILAN PAPPÉ: And this is the whole notion of the Palestinians as immigrants. You have immigrants in Holland.


ILAN PAPPÉ: And you have all the right to vote for a right wing party, because they are really Muslim immigrants, and they create all the problems. We also have Muslim immigrants in Israel. And they are using the same message to identify themselves to operate politically and violently against our own culture, our own set of values.

MAX BLUMENTHAL: Right. We understand the terrorism that you’re experiencing…

ILAN PAPPÉ: Absolutely.

MAX BLUMENTHAL: …we have it ourselves.

ILAN PAPPÉ: And there are very worrying connections nowadays between the Israeli strategic advisors and experts and their counterparts in France, Britain, Holland, Denmark. They advise them how to control immigrant societies in order to pre-empt the next loner, the next…

MAX BLUMENTHAL: The next lone wolf.

ILAN PAPPÉ: …lone wolf…

MAX BLUMENTHAL: Right. And it’s –- what? -– through biometrics and racial profiling and -– what do they call it? –- micro-expressions?

ILAN PAPPÉ: Micro-expressions. And it’s all built on this assumption we all have Muslim migrant societies that did not fit into the host culture.


ILAN PAPPÉ: And that’s quite a challenge for us to… it’s so false. It’s almost like a kind of Nazi propaganda that you have such a big lie, that the bigger the lie is the more difficult it is then to diffuse it. It’s such a big lie that I think we are, at the beginning, we are a bit paralyzed when we try to challenge it, because it’s so false, and yet I think we have to be patient and unpack it again for the audiences, and make sure the people understand how ridiculous and dangerous it is for both case studies.

MAX BLUMENTHAL: Ilan Pappé, thanks a lot. ILAN PAPPÉ: Thank you. MAX BLUMENTHAL: I’m Max Blumenthal in Washington, D.C., for The Real News.

Ilan Pappe: The Only Option is Prison PT2

In part two of their discussion, journalist Max Blumenthal talks to Israeli historian Ilan Pappe about how the mere presence of Palestinians in Israel threatens the Israeli narrative

MAX BLUMENTHAL: Hi. I’m Max Blumenthal for The Real News.

We’re in Washington, D.C., at the National Press Club for an event on the Israel Lobby. And I’m here with Ilan Pappé.

I want to ask you a historical question that kind of relates to your next book, “The Biggest Prison on Earth”. A lot people associate Gaza with the biggest prison on earth, but Gaza … really, and the siege of Gaza, the panopticon that encompasses the lives of all 1.8 million people in the Gaza Strip, really represents the culmination of the historical process that you chart in your book.

You’ve basically gone into the archives, the Israeli State Archives, and exposed how the occupation was constructed from using arcane Ottoman law, British Colonial law.

What was most remarkable about your archival research? What did you find that you didn’t already know?

ILAN PAPPÉ: First of all, two things. One is that I didn’t realize how systematic, in a way, was the thinking about the occupation of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip before ’67. I mean, I read Tom Segev’s book, “1967”, and other books, and I knew that…

MAX BLUMENTHAL: Just to interrupt. You were… I mean, a lot of people don’t know that, from 1948 to 1966, the Palestinian citizens of Israel, before the occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip and Golan began, were under military occupation, and that occupation in 1967 was simply replaced by the police that we see in the Galilee.

ILAN PAPPÉ: Exactly. Exactly. And I lived through that period myself, so I remember the greater Israel lobby before ’67. I knew there was a public atmosphere that really pushed the Israeli government to occupy the West Bank, and regarded — especially the West Bank, less the Gaza Strip –- and regarded the decision not to occupy in ’48 as a big mistake, because the opportunity was there in 1948.

What I didn’t realize was how systematic was the idea of transferring the military rule that was already imposed on the Palestinian minority in Israel; in saying, in ’63 after Ben Gurion, who was the last obstacle for abolishing this rule — because he wanted to keep the rule — now in ’63 he left the political arena, as an important figure.

And this is the moment when they are beginning to prepare the personnel that imposes the military rule on the Palestinians inside Israel, and say to them, you have a new mission. There’s another Palestinian group that waits for you. And the apparatus, not only the apparatus itself, the same people that were at the head of the apparatus, became the first governor-generals, legal advisors to the occupation in the first and second year of …

MAX BLUMENTHAL: So they just transferred it over…

ILAN PAPPÉ: Transferred… They had a ready-made mechanism for control.

The second thing that I found, especially from the Cabinet meetings in June –- again, something I suspected, but it was nice to see it confirmed, in a way –- was that there was a unanimous Israeli perception of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip that was not reflected in the public debate in the Israeli society itself.

The Israeli society itself, you could have said there was a debate between what one can call the redeemers: those who believed that the West Bank was the ancient land of Israel, and therefore ’67 was an historical opportunity to redeem an ancient omen; and the custodians: those who said, no, we’re keeping it until we have bilateral peace with Jordan –- at that time nobody talks about the Palestinians.

Now, actually, everyone in the government, whether they were from the socialist left in … the ultra-orthodox, Labour, of course, that was the dominant power, but also Likud, becomes now an important political power in Israel, they all agree that the West Bank and the Gaza Strip will have to be part of Israel. The question is how you do it.

And this is the debate. So the debate from ’67 onwards was technical, on how to keep the territories, not whether to keep the territories. And I was surprised how openly they talk in the Cabinet about the peace process as one of the best means of keeping the territories. Because…

MAX BLUMENTHAL: And this was in the ’60s.

ILAN PAPPÉ: In June ’67, the first few days after the Occupation. Especially the 18th, the 19th, the 20th of June, there were long debates in the Cabinet about that. And actually, you know, you read later on, Danny Schorr and other people, who sort of explained that what is important about the peace process is the process itself. It wasn’t born… Danny Schorr did not invent it. It was born there. And I think that not one Israeli government deviated from this idea; that you have to be strategically savvy with how you do it; but of course, there was no question of going back to what I’ve even called the Auschwitz borders.


ILAN PAPPÉ: And the whole book says that they developed two versions of a prison. That’s why I called it, “The Biggest Prison”. There was the kind of open prison model, which is… if the Palestinians accept our idea that we control the space, but we don’t have to control the people, they can live in an open prison; which gives them some sort of privileges, like working outside the prison, running their own life in the prison.

MAX BLUMENTHAL: Maybe … East Jerusalem would be…

ILAN PAPPÉ: In Jeru… yeah. Yeah. But also, you know, even Ramallah or these densely… what Yigal Alon called the densely populated Palestinian areas.

And then there is the maximum-security prison, when the Palestinians are being punished for not accepting the open prison.

And you can see how they try to work out two things. One is how to convince the world that the open prison model is actually a peace process, reconciliation, final end to the conflict. And how they try to convince the Palestinians that they have a lot to lose if they will replace the open prison with a maximum-security prison.

And I think what happens today is that they are moving to a different model, which is, like, let’s just make all of it Israel, and police the Palestinians wherever they are with mini-prisons everywhere. I don’t think there is going to be… the biggest prison will remain Gaza, but I think the rest of the West Bank, the Galilee, if they can do it — hopefully we will be able to challenge it — but the idea is to have these little autonomous prisons without territorial continuity…

MAX BLUMENTHAL: Without Palestinian nationality.

ILAN PAPPÉ: Without Palestinian nationality; and somehow have a way of relaxing the oppression if you can, with economic prosperity. Of course, there’s no reality… there’s nothing grounded in reality, the way they think about the future.


ILAN PAPPÉ: But they have the power to continue the model on the ground itself.

MAX BLUMENTHAL: Well, let me ask you in closing, I mean, going forward, this sounds to me like the plan that’s being offered by the Jewish Home Party, which is sort of the right wing party of the settlers, Naftali Bennett, and it’s a rising force in Israeli society.


MAX BLUMENTHAL: To what extent is Netanyahu and mainstream Likud moving towards this kind of one State apartheid reality, where they’ll formalize Israel usurping or annexing much of the West Bank? And to what extent do you think Washington will accept it? Because we’ve seen mixed signals from Trump. On the one hand you have David Friedman, the Ambassador, who’s in with the Beit El settlers, obviously on board with this kind of plan. And then you see Jason Greenblatt going over, and he’s more on board with the all process and no peace kind of tactic that you just described. Where are we heading?

ILAN PAPPÉ: Well, I think even the Israeli electorate, on a certain level, thinks both options are fine, in a way, that’s why I’ll tell you what is my vision for the future.

I don’t think that Netanyahu will be there forever. That’s very clear. And you’re right: one of the alternatives is the Jewish Home, and Naftali Bennett or people like him, taking Israel into this path on which you don’t play the charades anymore, and you just openly talk about a one state, that is one apartheid state, and you wait to see every moment, every juncture, to see how the world reacts, and you slow down the process according to the international community reaction and according to developments around you.

And then you have Yair Lapid, who has even more… who is now more popular in the polls than Netanyahu, who is a bit kind of an old timer Zionist in a way, who will say the status quo is fine. I mean, why should we change it? We can maintain the status quo forever. We’d need to continue to talk about the peace and the process; and he may convince –- whether it’s Trump or someone else –- that actually the old American hallow talk about the process that everybody knew had no influence on the reality on the ground, is still the best model for everyone concerned.

And maybe there will be a third Palestinian Intifada, there will be this Israeli reaction –- I’m talking from their perspective, not my perspective…


ILAN PAPPÉ: …we have the military power to quell it.


ILAN PAPPÉ: It’s actually quite good for the army to be involved in such operations; against Gaza or against the Lebanon, or against… After all…

MAX BLUMENTHAL: It seems like they’re moving towards the latter at this point.

ILAN PAPPÉ: They do. They do, because…

MAX BLUMENTHAL: Towards Lebanon.

ILAN PAPPÉ: …the military otherwise is idle, and there is a sense that the military will not be able, and the DNA of the military has long been to be a big police force.


ILAN PAPPÉ: The elite units of Israel have not done any –- supposedly –- daring operations of the kind that made Hollywood films, like Entebbe, or…


ILAN PAPPÉ: …you know, raiding on an Egyptian radar, or even killing PLO leaders in Lebanon…

MAX BLUMENTHAL: They go kill some Turkish activist…

ILAN PAPPÉ: Exactly. They’re killing civilians.

So the elite units are killing civilians as part of the policing of six million Palestinians within the new one state that they have created.

So, they have to be trained and kept alive in this kind of active role; and the big question is not, will there be an Israeli… internal Jewish Israeli repugnance against it? No, there won’t be, I can assure you. The sight is too indoctrinated to be repulsed by this.

The big question is, really, the international community. Will it… with the facts unfolding again and again, and the picture becomes clearer by the day, would they continue to be blind intentionally?

MAX BLUMENTHAL: And we’ve seen the international community issue two major reports, which amounted to kind of saying that water is wet, and the sky is blue, which is first…


MAX BLUMENTHAL: …Zionism is racism and Israel’s an apartheid state. Both were retracted almost immediately.

ILAN PAPPÉ: Yeah. But the messengers were killed, not the message.

MAX BLUMENTHAL: The messengers were killed but not the message; but when you kill the messenger, you can’t embrace the recommendations and formalize them into any kind of legal repercussions or enforcement mechanism.

ILAN PAPPÉ: I agree. But I think that the messengers are growing in numbers, and that it’s far more diversified. The people who are now willing to say these things come from different places where they haven’t come before.

I’m not trying to draw too optimistic a picture, but I think that Israelis are beginning to lose it in their ability to use timidity, bribery and intimidation to kill the messengers. Whenever they… and it also has to do with the cyberspace. We are in it now.

MAX BLUMENTHAL: Well, you’re still alive.

ILAN PAPPÉ: (laughs) I’m still alive. And even if I’m not alive, there are other people who would do this. We are not loners. We’re not the only ones –- neither you, nor I. It is there. It’s already there in the cyber highway and information highway. It is there, and they will not be able to stop it.

Unfortunately, of course, while we are waiting for this to have tangible impact on the ground, the clock of destruction is faster and it continues, and I think that’s why we all support the BDS because we would like to see a more concentrated reaction, even if we are not sure where we are going to.


ILAN PAPPÉ: We want to voice our objection to the oppression as it happens on the ground on a daily basis. Yeah.

MAX BLUMENTHAL: We keep hearing the time is running out, time is running out, and BDS is sounding the alarm that time has run out. And I think as Bobby Sands would’ve said, “Our time will come.”


MAX BLUMENTHAL: Ilan Pappé. Thanks a lot.

ILAN PAPPÉ: Thank you.

MAX BLUMENTHAL: I’m Max Blumenthal in Washington, D.C., for The Real News.

Israeli minister says Assad should be killed

This is why the US is killing all over the world. Aren’t you sick and tired of it?

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An Israeli minister says Syrian President Bashar al-Assad is to blame for the sufferings of the Arab state and should be assassinated, a day after the US leveled fresh  allegations against the Damascus government.

“As far as I am concerned it is time to assassinate Assad,” the regime’s housing and construction minister Yoav Galant told a conference outside Jerusalem al-Quds on Tuesday, adding that the Syrian president “does not have a place in this world.”

He accused the government in Damascus of “executing people, using directed chemical attacks against them, and the latest extreme — burning their corpses.”

Killing Assad would be the first step in confronting Syria’s supporter, Iran, he added.

Galant’s comments came one day after the US State Department claimed that Assad’s government was using a crematorium to cover up the deaths of thousands of prisoners at Saydnaya military prison near the capital Damascus.

Syria’s Foreign Ministry categorically rejected the allegation as “a new Hollywood screenplay disconnected from reality,” and “totally unfounded.”

Successive US administrations are “fabricating lies and creating false allegations … to justify their policies of aggression and intervention in sovereign states,” SANA quoted a ministry source as saying.

This is while the Tel Aviv regime regularly attacks positions held by pro-Damascus forces in Syria, claiming that the attacks are retaliatory.

Syria says the Israeli raids are meant to shore up the Takfiri terrorists, who are increasingly losing ground against the Arab country’s army.

The Syrian army has on several occasions confiscated Israeli-made arms and military equipment from terrorists fighting the government forces. There are also reports that Israel has been providing medical treatment to the extremists wounded in Syria.

Last month, Israel’s former minister of military affairs Moshe Ya’alon admitted to a tacit alliance with Daesh , saying the terrorist group had “immediately apologized” to Tel Aviv after firing “once” into Israel.

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Last September, Israeli lawmaker Akram Hasson accused Tel Aviv of directly aiding the Jabhat Fateh al-Sham terror outfit, formerly known as al-Nusra Front, in the battles on the Golan Heights.

It came from Israhell

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Zionism means Rothschild just as Israel means Rothschild.

The War on Terror

The second American coup d’etat in my lifetime. First came with the JFK assassination, the second was 9/11. For sure I was born into interesting times! Totally outrageous!

The Project for the New American Century (PNAC) was a neo-conservative think tank (1997 to 2006) that had strong ties to the American Enterprise Institute. PNAC’s web site said it was “established in the spring of 1997” as “a non-profit, educational organization whose goal is to promote American global leadership.”

PNAC’s policy document, “Rebuilding America’s Defences,” openly advocated for total global military domination. Many PNAC members held highest-level positions in the George W. Bush administration. The Project was an initiative of the New Citizenship Project (501c3). [1]

In 2009 two of PNAC’s founders, Jew William Kristol and Jew Robert Kagan, began what some termed “PNAC 2.0,” The Foreign Policy Initiative.

How do they always find people to do their dirty work?

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   A picture is worth a thousand words. RIP American Soliders:

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